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Presbyterian Preaching
A friend of mine is working on an indepedent study at seminary comparing Episcopal and Presbyterian sermons. As part of the course he’s asked friends (including me) from both traditions their thoughts on denominational dinstinctions in preaching. Here’s how I replied:
I’ve tried to think of what I would considered distinctive about Presbyterian preaching and I’ve got two:
1. I think there is a greater sense of weight, importance or expectation about Presbyterian preaching. Every church form in a pastor recruitment process I’ve ever seen where they rank the skills desired for the position has placed preaching at or very near number one. It is considered the main part, even the point, of worship services and many folks refer to ministers as Preachers.
2. If there is any distinction about style, approach or method I would say it is being strongly scripture guided. This might sound obvious but I mean traditionally the scriptures set the schedule for preaching i.e. Lectio Continua vs. Lectionary. Our current Book of Common Worship argues in favor of the Revised Common Lectionary because it does a better job of presenting scripture in order. Additionally a typical Presbyterian sermon starts with the text and develops based on that. I’ve heard a whole lot of sermons from other denominations, mostly Baptists who pick a topic or opinion and quote lots of verses to support it but the sermon’s foundation is not a biblical text. Many (but by no means all) of the Episcopal sermons I’ve heard preach the scripture as it relates to the church year: showing it’s relation to the other readings or the date instead of treating the sermon text on its own which adds to the what is guiding the sermon development.Having said that I don’t think denominational distinctions are that strong, if I heard a recording of two sermons I probably couldn’t guess what tradition someone was from.
His question, like all good questions, got me thinking and I would like to hear your thoughts on this. Would you agree with my response? notice other things? Are there dinstinctions between different denominations approach to preaching? Do you think you could tell the difference between Methodist, Baptist, Episcopal or Presbyterian sermons? What distinctions (if any) do you notice? Should there be differences?
(Image is Preacher by niccolo2410: click image for link to the flickr site)
CHAP. X. The Parson in his house. (Part II.)
Continuing to work through George Herbert’s The Country Parson:
Good deeds, and good breeding, are his two great stocks for his children; if God give any thing above those, and not spent in them, he blesseth God, and lays it out as he sees cause. His servants are all religious, and were it not his duty to have them so, it were his profit, for none are so well served, as by religious servants, both because they do best, and because what they do, is blessed, and prospers. After religion, he teacheth them, that three things make a compleate servant, Truth, and Diligence, and Neatnesse, or Cleanlinesse. Those that can read, are allowed times for it, and those that cannot, are taught; for all in his house are either teachers or learners, or both, so that his family is a Schoole of Religion, and they all account, that to teach the ignorant is the greatest almes. Even the wals are not idle, but something is written, or painted there, which may excite the reader to a thought of piety; especially the IoI Psalm, which is expressed in a fayre table, as being the rule of a family. And when they go abroad, his wife among her neighbours is the beginner of good discourses, his children among children, his servants among other servants; so that as in the house of those that are skill’d in Musick, all are Musicians; so in the house of a Preacher, all are preachers. He suffers not a ly or equivocation by any means in his house, but counts it the art, and secret of governing to preserve a directnesse, and open plainnesse in all things; so that all his house knowes, that there is no help for a fault done, but confession. He himselfe, or his Wife, takes account of Sermons, and how every one profits, comparing this yeer with the last: and besides the common prayers of the family, he straitly requires of all to pray by themselves before they sleep at night, and stir out in the morning, and knows what prayers they say, and till they have learned them, makes them kneel by him; esteeming that this private praying is a more voluntary act in them, then when they are called to others prayers, and that, which when they leave the family, they carry with them. He keeps his servants between love, fear, according as hee findes them; but generally he distributes it thus, To his Children he shewes more love then terrour, to his servants more terrour then love; but an old servant boards a child. The furniture of his house is very plain, but clean, whole, and sweet, as sweet as his garden can make; for he hath no mony for such things, charity being his only perfume, which deserves cost when he can spare it. His fare is plain, and common, but wholsome, what hee hath, is little, but very good; it consisteth most of mutton, beefe, and veal, if he addes any thing for a great day, or a stranger, his garden or orchard supplies it, or his barne, and back-side: he goes no further for any entertainment, lest he goe into the world, esteeming it absurd, that he should exceed, who teacheth others temperance. But those which his home produceth, he refuseth not, as coming cheap, and easie, and arising from the improvement of things, which otherwise would be lost. Wherein he admires and imitates the wonderfull providence and thrift of the great householder of the world: for there being two things, which as they are, are unuseful to man, the one for smalnesse, as crums, and scattered corn, and the like; the other for the foulnesse, as wash, and durt, and things thereinto fallen; God hath provided Creatures for both: for the first. Poultry; for the second, swine. These save man the labour, and doing that which either he could not do, or was not fit for him to do, by taking both sorts of food into them, do as it were dresse and prepare both for man in themselves, by growing them selves fit for his table.
Herbert spends a good deal on the household and family of the minister, it is not simply a profession but a true vocation or life calling. All of who we are- in selecting our menu or decorating the home as much as leading in prayer and preaching – is given to God.
His comments about servants certainly wouldn’t fit today, the very idea that a minister would have house servants is amazing to me. And although we might see it as patronizing, I’m impressed that Herbert calls for their education as well as personal time for study and reading. He has a strong concern that any within the minister’s household benefit and are blessed in a practical ways.
Although he uses words like ‘plainness’, ‘wholesome’ and ‘temperance’ Herbert encourages what we would call simplicity. He suggests ‘getting back to basics’ in furnishings and meals, giving a higher priority to quality than quantity. This is especially needed advice for ministers in marketing driven American culture.
One final note, he says not to let the walls be ‘idle’ — we should have things decorating our home that ‘excite the reader to a thought of piety’.
Picture: Sorunda Church by Steffe
Morning Read
Saw this article about saving rural America by Chuck Norris….yes that Chuck Norris!
First Script
I had a go with a very simple Bash script this morning, it’s one step above “echo ‘Hello World'”.
I had been using a VBS script with windows to keep an ‘inbox’ list with that I had found here. So I wanted to do the same with Bash.
If you’re familiar with GTD the idea is to write everything down as you think of it so you can refer to it and organize or act on it later.
Anyway, here it is:
#!/bin/bash
echo IN:
read IN
echo $IN >> ~/in.txt
Copy and paste into a text editor and save as inbox, I put it in an apps folder in my homepage which is part of my PATH: find how to do that here.
Make the file executable: in a terminal cd to the folder where the script is and type chmod +x inbox: find more info here.
I added an alias so I don’t have to type ‘inbox’ every time: edit your ~/.bashrc file to include: alias i=’inbox’
So now in a terminal when I type ‘i’ I get a prompt ‘IN:’ whatever I type on the next line is appended to a single ‘in’ text file in my home directory to look at later.
With this, curses calendar, hierarchal notebook, and a very cool todotxt script I’m all about terminal productivity.
Morning Reads
These caught my attention this morning:
The Episcopal Church is driving straight for a rupture.
and this story about how high property values are making it hard for locals to remain in rural areas in England.
Have a great weekend.
BTW: I’ll be at our General Assembly next week.
Top 5 (fictional) Country Preachers
It’s fairly rare to see a minister as a character in a show now days…especially one that’s not an example of hypocrisy or there for comic relief. Here’s a list of 5 country preachers from film and TV, in no particular order:
1. Mr. Gruffydd from How Green Was My Valley.
I don’t remember too much of the plot, it’s been a while since I saw this. I think I rented it one night with the intent of watching all of the Best Picture Oscar winners. I was amazed to see a minister as a central character and portrayed as a hero. I was also impressed that a tall, handsome man played the minister. Compare this to nearly any preacher on film after the 60’s!
2. Rev. Tucker from the Andy Griffith Show.
While not a central or very memorable character, I’ve always liked how the church and the preacher was as much a part of Mayberry as the grocery store and post office. Nothing spectacular, it is simply a normal part of life that finds it’s way into the plot of several epispodes.
(Couldn’t find a picture of Rev. Tucker, but here’s a Sunday afternoon in Mayberry)
3. Preacher from Pale Rider
Not sure why, but I really like the scene where a preacher beats up on the bad guys with a large piece of lumber.
4. Friar Tuck
Fr. Tuck is an icon. He’s the jovial member of the Merry Men whose presence seems to give some moral sanction to the band of outlaws.
5. Rev. Maclean from A River Runs Through It
The minister viewed from within the manse. This is one of my favorite all time movies, Rev. Maclean is stern, loving and one of the few Presbyterians to ever use the word ‘beautiful’. Norman Maclean definitely grew up in a Presbyterian home.
Well that’s my list…who would you add.
Debian Kilt
Don Carson on Preaching
The Unashamed Workman has some links to D. Carson on preaching. Here.
CHAP. X. The Parson in his house. (Part I.)
Continuing to work through George Herbert’s The Country Parson:
THe Parson is very exact in the governing of his house, making it a copy and modell for his Parish. He knows the temper, and pulse of every person in his house, and accordingly either meets with their vices, or advanceth theirvertues. His wife is either religious, or night and day he is winning her to it. In stead of the qualities of the world, he requires onely three of her; first, a trayning up of her children and mayds in the fear of God, with prayers, and catechizing, and all religious duties. Secondly, a curing, and healing of all wounds and sores with her owne hands; which skill either she brought with her, or he takes care she shall learn it of some religious neighbour. Thirdly, a providing for her family in such sort, as that neither they want a competent sustentation, nor her husband be brought in debt. His children he first makes Christians, and then Commonwealths-men; the one he owes to his heavenly Countrey, the other to his earthly, having no title to either, except he do good to both. Therefore having seasoned them with all Piety, not only of words in praying, and reading; but in actions, in visiting other sick children, and tending their wounds, and sending his charity by them to the poor, and somtimes giving them a little mony to do it of themselves, that they get a delight in it, and enter favour with God, who weighs even childrens actions, I King. 14. 12, 13. He afterwards turnes his care to fit all their dispositions with some calling, not sparing the eldest, but giving him the prerogative of his Fathers profession, which happily for his other children he is not able to do. Yet in binding them prentices (in case he think fit to do so) he takes care not to put them into vain trades, and unbefitting the reverence of their Fathers calling, such as are tavernes for men, and lace-making for women; because those trades, for the most part, serve but the vices and vanities of the world, which he is to deny, and not augment. However, he resolves with himself never to omit any present good deed of charity, in consideration of providing a stock for his children; but assures himselfe, that mony thus lent to God, is placed surer for his childrens advantage, then if it were given to the Chamber of London.
Short post today as I’m particularly busy this week.
- Note the pastor is not just an example as an individual but as part of a family. This is biblical (1 Tim 3:4) . Coincidentally, I’ve been reading an article about the importance of the minister’s household in the change of protestant church’s stances on contraception in Touchstone.
- I find the importance of guiding the children’s vocational training away from vanities important.
- Finally, Herbert says that giving money to the needy, or doing acts of charity are better investments in our children’s future than an investment account. Have to admit that one hit me. Herbert reminds us to trust in God, even for our children’s future.
Picture is OrtenCountryChurch by StuffEyeSee.